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  • 03 Aug 2012 11:06 PM
    Reply # 1038262 on 848830
    Charlene
    Most med students have more than 250k in loans. How long it takes you to pay it back ddepnes on how much you pay a month, and a lot of that ddepnes on your salary some doctors make a lot more than others. Most people end up paying back more than twice what they took out with interest. What's with the PhD? Becoming a psychiatrist will take 13 years. It's not a fall back career or a way to make money for another job. That will be completely useless for a research scientist (and you might easily spend another 8 years in graduate school for the PhD at least that's usually free).References :
  • 03 Aug 2012 11:31 PM
    Reply # 1038268 on 703945
    Sawano
    I agree with many of the posters that the reictsrtion in the number of doctors may not be a deliberate ploy to increase doctor's wages. Nonetheless, the AMA cartel and their monopoly on certification is still a problem. They are not serving the needs of the customers (patients). Perhaps one reason is that they have overly strict standards. A lot of people here and probably within the AMA are probably convinced that relaxing standards would only lead to poorer service and thus lower medical quality, but the high standards are restricting the number of places that can serve as medical and the profitability of medical schools and restricting the number of medical students and thus the number of doctors. Obviously, having too few doctors decreases quality of medical service. In other words, if relaxing standards can increase the number of doctors, then a balance needs to be struck between high standards and having enough doctors. If there were other certifying agencies we might have more diverse responses to this doctor shortage. From the looks of it, the AMA just sounds like it's a money problem: it costs more money to open more schools, so we just need more money, without being willing to make the type of compromises that could best serve the needs of the customers, which includes both quality medical service and affordable prices (whether one pays via an insurer or directly).If people are worried about medical malpractice, I read somewhere (I think it was in Gladwell's Blink) that the more time a doctor spends with a patient the less likely they are to be sued; ie the more attentive the doctor is and the more the doctor listens to the patient, the better. Patients like this, and aren't inclined to sue doctors they like, even if that doctor errors. Thus, these overworked doctors are a formula for malpractice and thus means more work for the abundance of lawyers.
  • 04 Aug 2012 12:10 AM
    Reply # 1038297 on 764812
    Joshua
    I may be extrapolating out of ceoxntt, but I'm drawn to think that the proposals listed by the Institut Montaigne and certainly publicly proclaimed by the respective parties are not really policy proposals but signals to the constituencies that each party is trying to win over. Such that the proposals are enough to warm the hearts of the target audiance but not done in a way so as to be too commited to actually following through on these proposals. CP
  • 04 Aug 2012 12:22 AM
    Reply # 1038300 on 743723
    Bogdan
    IIRC somewhere aruond 1/3 of those who apply to medical school are accepted by at least one school (standard advice is apply to every school in your state plus a handfull of out of state).Medical schools generally claim that medical education is a financial looser for them, despite 100s of thousands of dollars per student in tuition. If true, that would discourage opening of new schools. As pointed out, the barriers to entry into medical education are exceedingly high. You need a major medical center with research faculty in all major fields (to teach in the classroom) and clinical faculty in all disciplines of sufficient number to accommodate all of your students. Currently the quality of accepted med school applicants is very high. A drastic increase in # of accepted students would drastically decrease quality (which could arguably be an acceptable tradeoff, however preselection of only the best students is one of several major factors that differentiate physicians from mid-levels and technical personnel.
  • 04 Aug 2012 12:48 AM
    Reply # 1038307 on 697510
    Elwira
    Two articles from the American Enterprise Online mngizaae that are I think tangentially involved with medical schools and their output:By Bill Fristwhen the New England Journal of Medicine used 11 measures to compare VA patients with Medicare patients treated on a fee-for-service basis, the VA's patients were in better health and received more of the treatments professionals believe they should. According to the VA's own medical professionals, a computer system called Vista is the key to their success. "I'm proud of what we do here, but it isn't that we have more resources," explains Sanford Garfunkel, the director of the Washington VA Medical Center. "The difference is information."======================Leon Kass is a medical doctor, biologist, ethicist, philosopher, and teacher. After decades as a professor at the University of Chicago, he accepted responsibility for chairing President Bush's Council on Bioethics, a position he held from 2001 until last year. Today he is the Hertog Fellow in Religion, Philosophy, and Culture at the American Enterprise Institute...
  • 04 Aug 2012 12:56 AM
    Reply # 1038311 on 697100
    Carlos
    Paul, as you know I always enjoy your blogs. One or two of the ciqahocus, or however you spell it, have been a bit left field, but I like the fact that they remind us often of lessons we have learned but forget to practice.It's perhaps indicative that even today the childcare experts agree that there is no single manual for successfully bringing up children. Many years ago I remember telling one of mine that some people learn from watching, some by reading warning signs, but others, including my much-loved son, just have to go out there and pee on the electric fence to find out for themselves!So if there is one thing I would want to pass on perhaps it is the advice to use your mouth and ears in proportion listen twice as much as you speak, and be open to learning.Probably not what you wanted, but hey at least it's a response!
  • 04 Aug 2012 12:58 AM
    Reply # 1038312 on 998251
    Gavin
    Fleishmann & Pons have kept the light in the window all these many years. Though peoilrlid by rigid self effected Physics Authoitarians' code of ridicule and banishment to the outer darkness anyone who brings up new and unproven topics.Shame on those self centered egotists who rant and rage at any premise that has not already been accepted and endorsed by thier lofty assemblage of super intellectuals.History of all advances since the early days of the Flat Earth idea, has been done by thinkers of impossible thoughts, like flight, Heart Transplants, Newtons' Gravity musing, Copericus concept of the solar system and ,and on.Enter Dr. Rossi and Associates; welcome to a time in the history of a struggleing Earth in desperate need of a clean and abundent energy source. On behalf of all those self appointed keepers of all things Scientific cowering in a dark corner in the hopes that your E-Cat dies in the borning. Hail Dr. Rossi and Associates; God Speed to your plans to fill a vital need at a critical time.Jon Dee
  • 04 Aug 2012 1:00 AM
    Reply # 1038313 on 1013040
    Jay
    US is taking in searevl thousands of foreign medical graduates ( some of them are US citizens studying abroad and most are foreign MD's). overall aprox. 20-25% of practicing MD's have done their medical school overseas and have done only residency in USA. nobody is restricting this access. so the AMA cartel hypothesis does not hold completely (why not let more Americans to become MD's and bring in foreign nationals. the limiting factor is the vast infrastructure one needs to train a medical student. books, labs, computers is no big deal but one needs older docs being willing to teach and chaperone/supervise medical students while in contact with the patients( it pays less to do academic medicine than private practice). I can not say how much is real constraint related with limited ability to involve more older docs in teaching and how much docs cartel.
  • 04 Aug 2012 1:07 AM
    Reply # 1038316 on 1012944
    Rafly
    TO MP:I still think that the number of ainplcatiops is a significant number and shows the effort made from the part of the applicants to secure a position in one of the schools.At the same time, the percentage rejected shows the limitations of the system. When one school rejected an application it does not take into account whether the same person has applied to another school.Thus, from this point of view, and unless there was a centralized application handling system, the number of ainplcatiops represents number of applicants from the point of view of the system performance and possible manipulation. In other words, I am saying that the number of rejected ainplcatiops is as important as the number of new entrances.It would be interesting to know whether rejects overlap or some admitted to one school are rejected by several others.In that case, it would indicate more of a policy of rejecting rather than a true evaluation of capabilities.
  • 04 Aug 2012 1:17 AM
    Reply # 1038319 on 733257
    Rina
    Juandos, you can't really harp on me rediang the Nation and Harper's if you're puling from the AEI. Especially if it's an article by Bill Frist, the man who should have his MD license revoked for sheer stupidity. I'll read what he has to say, as my folks are doctors and I keep up on that stuff, but really. It's Bill Frist. Also, I noticed you mentioning something about doctors filling out paperwork, and I wonder what you think of the unofficial statistic I got from my psychiatrist mother that "most doctors would rather have a universal healthcare system than the one we have now." She obviously hasn't polled every doctor, but she and my stepdad meet a lot of doctors and this kind of debate certainly pops up at AMA meetings and elsewhere.

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